Property AI Report 083 - Starmer Drama, AI Photo Growth & Heat Peak

Weekly Property & AI Report - Episode Highlights

Join hosts Mal McCallion and Matt Goddard as they dissect the latest in property news, tech developments, and AI innovation. Whether you're interested in political impacts on property development, AI's role in real estate marketing, or the latest breakthroughs in AI models and tools — this episode has it all.

In this episode: 

• The political shake-up with Keir Starmer’s resignation and its implications for the property industry 
• Emerging regulations around tenancy deposits and the potential shift from insured schemes to custodial solutions
• The growing impact of AI image manipulation in property listings and how transparency builds trust
• The AI model export restrictions following Anthropic's Fable 5 debacle and the influence of politics on AI advancements
• Talent migration within the AI sector as leading companies like Google and Meta face internal challenges
• The success and innovations in OpenAI’s Codex and its new record-and-replay features for automating tasks
• ByteDance’s latest update to TikTok’s AI-powered video generation, Seedance 2.5, enabling more realistic and longer AI videos

Key insights include:

• How political instability hampers property delivery goals, such as the 1.5 million housing target
• The potential disruption of tenancy deposit schemes and their effect on millions of tenants and landlords
• The significance of digital alterations in property images - 1 in 15 listings show detectable edits, emphasizing transparency
• The geopolitical and regulatory risks facing AI companies, with model restrictions impacting exports and IPO plans
• The internal talent erosion at Google and Meta indicates shifts in AI R&D leadership and innovation paths
• Practical applications of new AI tools like Codex for automating repetitive business tasks and enhancing security measures
• The rapid evolution of AI-generated video with Seedance 2.5, offering extended clip durations and higher customisation options

Timestamps:
00:00 - Welcome and Weekly Market Overview
01:08 - UK Political Changes and Impact on Housing Policy
02:36 - Challenges in Meeting Housing Targets
04:14 - Proposed Changes to Tenancy Deposit Schemes
07:55 - Detectable Digital Alterations in Property Listings
11:43 - The Fable 5 Export Ban and AI Industry Delays
17:13 - Internal Challenges at Meta and Google AI Labs
21:41 - OpenAI’s Codex Innovations and Automation Tools
28:11 - ByteDance Seedance 2.5: New AI Video Capabilities
30:50 - Wrap-up and Next Week’s Focus

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hi everybody and welcome to the Property AI Report. This is your weekly digest of all things property and AI. Brought to you by me, Mal McAlian, and my good friend and co-host Matt Goddard. Matt, how are you this very sunny week? It's been a busy one for us, hasn't it? But it's been s seemingly quiet in the news. Most of the time it's been Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, most of the time it's been trying to trying to kind of get an understanding of where the kind of news stories are, because there's been a lot that has been kind of put off, we think, um, by this Fable V kind of moratorium, which we'll which we'll get into in the AI and tech news. Um but first of all, shall we start as usual with our property news? We have um a number of uh different stories to chat about, but um they're kind of the big thing that happened, and this was more kind of from the country perspective, was Keir Starmer's resignation on Monday, um, not entirely unexpected after the victory in the maker field by-election by Andy Burnham last Thursday. Um there's been some you know kind of um reaction from the industry, people saying, you know, um how sort of uh you know clogged up things were, how difficult um things have been, and also looking ahead to what Andy Burnham may deliver. What is your take on this, Matt?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

From an industry point of view, political point of view, or just general satire in the boiling heat point of view?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Which whichever angle you would like to come at it from, but yeah, please don't you know start going all militant and you know, I know your political kind of and I think there's a danger, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:29

The next pro the next Prime Minister may well be an Everton fan, but at the same time, it's not a great look for our country, isn't it? Yes again we've got a changing of the guard less than two years after a landslide election victory.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah, I think that's so we're gonna look yeah, I d I think all of this uncertainty is bad, right? You know, we we had the kind of two years ago when they won the election, we had the where everything's worse than we thought it was budget in November, which kind of clogged the industry up for the whole year. Then last year we had even more of the well, now we can't get like winter fuel allowance back, we're gonna have to do something else horrible, budget, which kind of clogged everything up. And now it looks like unless we can get something in place very, very quickly, we're gonna have another kind of you know lost few months or a lot of months, and that and that comes hard on the heels of the Iran um war. So, yeah, it's just it's just frustrating, I think, from a can we just stop messing about and just kind of get on with stuff. No, we're supposed to be building 1.5 million um houses in the uh in this this particular parliament. We're already kind of halfway through, uh, and there's very little sign of that happening. So, you know, there is then the the worry that, you know, is are we gonna are we in line for another housing minister? You know, and I was speaking with somebody who who actually works with the works with the government, um, and they were saying that um the current housing secretary is is really big on this digital data stuff, but the previous one before him wasn't. So it it's very much, you know, it does depend on on who the housing minister is and how hard they push this kind of stuff, whether you know, this kind of the open data, open property data stuff is gonna um kind of come through. Uh and and every time there's something like this that happens, there is just a slowdown in terms of delivery, in terms of strategy, in terms of, you know, and and and everybody's just kind of like um spinning their spinning their wheels, just kind of waiting to crack on. So um, yeah, look, it's um if if it is to be a coronation of um of of Burnham, hopefully it'll be fast. Hopefully everybody will get, you know, it it will become it will enable the market, the the property market particularly to kind of really kick on. Um I do have a hope that the housing secretary that's there at the moment, not not particularly for who he is or his politics or anything like that, but just because there's stability in having him stay there and you know he seems to be pretty into the the open data side, it would be good if that continued. And yeah, I think I would worry if if if there is more changes in that perspective for sure. Right. Next up in our property news, we want to have a little look, and again, this this kind of comes down to what decisions are made at government level, regulatory decisions. So there's um uh there's talk of an insured deposit shakeup um and how that might um disrupt millions of tenancies. So the kind of core idea here is government has proposed that um the insured tenancy deposit schemes um are essentially scrapped. Matt, this is um something that I know you're you're pretty close to. What's your take?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

So just a little bit of background on this is so when the deposit legislation came in way back in April 2006, there's prior to that, there was uh basically the deposits when they were collected were either held on behalf of agents, um sorry, on behalf of landlords by agents or transferred to landlords, and that's the way the sort of the deposit money is flowed, and then it was down to tenants to try to wrestle that sort of funds back. Um when the deposit legislation finally came in in April 2006, there were two parts because you had to be a member of a scheme. There was two sort of main types of scheme. There was insured where the money continued to reside with the agency, but you had to then lodge it with an insured scheme, or there was a custodial where you you transferred the money to the custodial scheme, and then the tenant had sight of it, the third party was holding the funds. And then the vast majority of deposits from agencies would go off to custodial because if you're a small one or two branch, like that it was easier just to transfer the money off, and the tenant would then need to get the money back from that scheme. Whereas for big, I guess more corporates that continued holding that money. Obviously, if you've got a lot of money in your bank account, it's a positive thing, and that was called the insured scheme. But there's now a big push, mainly from the lettings partnership based on this article, to scrap them because there's a lack of transparency as to where that money is when it's being held by uh the agency and the insured scheme rather than something like the tendency deposit scheme where custodial is a lot more visibility, and there's some sort of question marks where you know this money disappears. If you take something like ARPM, who was a outsourced client accounts business, they went pop and a lot of money, a lot of money of allegedly do I have to say that maybe went missing because this money was just no visibility around it, and even if it's in an insured scheme, so there is a a question of should anyone have an insured scheme anymore or should it all be in custodial across sort of the main three deposit providers? And I think with all the changes, there is a if you're from an administration point of view, if you're collecting the funds and having to transfer it on, there's a lot more work you have to be doing there because there's more money moving through your bank account. But then at the same time these days there's automation around that sort of thing and reconciliation and a lot of the client accounting products have caught up with sort of where you know it was a repeat, we had a bit of the USP originally of of automating those processes. Most companies are sort of catching up with that now. So it's probably it's definitely better for tenants and just whether or not people want to make those changes, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, to throw a bit of AI in it and it'll probably uh sort it out pretty quickly as well. So yeah, no, it's I mean, uh again, it's kind of I I think it's just the fact that it's more legislation again, isn't it? It's just kind of like yet more sort of stuff and it's been thrown at the letting industry again, and it's like you just kind of think, well, the yeah, the there's fatigue setting in as to look, do we really have to change those systems again? And I I take your point that it's kind of more geared towards sort of the corporates and stuff like that. But uh but yes, I'm sure there'll be some some um of the mid-sized and smaller agencies kind of caught up in it as well. Um how big a problem is it? Like you say, ARPM kind of went under, but you know, is it is it actually when everything else is going on the thing that we should be focusing on? But yes, I'm sure we and and and also, you know, if there is a regime change with the with Andy Burnham as well, there is definitely going to be a change because Startman's resigned. What's how high a priority are they gonna make it, or should we just sit there and assume that it's um it's not gonna happen? So, yes, um again, going back to the previous story about uncertainty. Hopefully, uncertainty will end soon, and hopefully um we will all know exactly where we are in the next few weeks, um, with any luck. Right, our third story in our property news. Um, we're going um a little bit deep into some AI imagery. So um this is a um a story by um an international company called Coralie. Um Coralie um basically helped to power um some of the portals um around the world with some AI kind of AI insights, particularly. And what they've found is there overall there is one in 15 listing images carry detectable digital alteration. They said that can be anything from making the sky blue to um virtually staging it to, as we've seen some of the more extreme examples um over here in the UK, removing shops from next door and removing ceilings from some images as well. So, yeah, are you surprised by this match? One in fifteen.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Actually thought it'd be higher, to be honest. Yeah, it's been something that the sky's blue and and such like feels like it's almost a uh a standard. But then actually uh I've had the sort of privilege, I guess, of going around quite a lot of the state agents this week. And when we've been talking to them, it's been, I guess, the great and the good in a way, but you sort of almost forget when you're in that microcosm of uh of agents that not all of them sort of use you know property box to for editing the photos and you know have these different approaches of of getting quality photographs taken. And if you go on right move, there are still quite a lot that are clearly being taken device someone on uh what looks like an early Nokia and slapped up on right move, right? So maybe just the sort of agents that would listen to this and and we deal with uh are aren't representative of of what's going on, and clearly not if only one in fourteen are being editors.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I I I think that um you know maybe in other countries these this covers things like in um the the UAE, uh Dubai and and and America and elsewhere, and you know, the sky's actually blue most of the time, so they don't need to. They don't need to digitally enhance it, which is why it's only one in fifteen. Uh but yes, over here, as I look out the window up here in Newcastle and it's um binning down with rain and we've had some lightning and stuff like that um already this morning, it's uh yes, it's it's rather different. But uh but yeah, you know, I was I was just just very interested that that actually this seems to be measurably um I would say quite quite significant. I I I think I was surprised again, kind of knowing um and and and as I've been travelling around the country talking to to loads and loads of agents um on my my little tour that actually you know a lot of them aren't using some of these digital tools and aren't necessarily um you know um haven't to this point seen the opportunity of doing that and of of assume that it's too complex, etc. So no, I think it's um it's it's a I think it's a a good sign. I think you know, as with all these things, um making it clear, I think is the most important thing. You know, in in the world of AI, trust is going to be the most important currency that that every business has. So the more you can be, you know, um upfront about you know, some of these did some of these uh images have been digitally enhanced, and I think that that will stand you and your brands in really good stead, um as opposed to, you know, some of the uh the kind of horror stories that you've seen, and like I say, around and about where where things have quite clearly been moved, removed, and there's been big splashes in the times or the sun or something about uh about them, and uh and they they really do have a uh an impact on the brands concerned and and and a long memory of those things having taken place. Yeah, just um yeah, so more and more it is there's some really good stuff to be used to make your presentation of marketing really, really good. Of the properties. So yeah, do do have a play around. Obviously, you know, we're always available as to chat about all these sorts of things. But yes, it is uh it is something that I think is going to be increasingly important as we we go through, and I think consumers are gonna increasingly appreciate that their properties can openly be made to um appeal to a wider range of buyers by using some of these tools for sure. Right, that is the end of our property news this week. Um let's have a look at our AI and tech news. Right, so we're gonna start um, I think probably where we started for the last couple of weeks, which is uh which is the Fable V debacle uh over in over in the States, um, where quick recap Anthropic released two weeks ago now, Fable V, which was their update to their Clawed model. It was awesome, it was available for about a day and a half, and then um the US government instructed um uh instructed Anthropic that they um to control the export of the product, this was the specific um way that they went around it, they said you cannot let foreign nationals use this product. Uh, Anthropic has many foreign nationals actually working for it. So actually, it then had to just and there's no way of stopping certain um uh certain um ethnic groups from using this globally available tool. So they had to can it. And to this point, they have not been able to get it back out again. We were all, I think, expecting some other models from the likes of Google, from the likes of OpenAI to drop over the last couple of weeks as well, and it's been like tumbleweed silence because I think everybody's just kind of waiting and working it out and trying to trying to make sense of it. Um this is pretty um it's just pretty weird, it's pretty stupid, right? There there is no the the fact that the US government is now essentially holding back um the development of AI or the accessibility of AI to to the masses is really quite an uncomfortable spot to be in.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

It is very much so, isn't it? We're starting to see sort of uh the government getting sued over in America because of it and that questioning whether it could even actually uh take this approach and it is it is it contributing in various legislations, rules, etc. But uh actually what's what is leaving is normally you're looking at a new model, seeing pushing the boundaries and fable five the three days we had with it was absolutely incredible. But now people think, well, can we trust uh foundational models to to always be held back? And I think that's probably also what's happening with open AI and Google, right? They're thinking, well, I don't want to release something because the the rum was 5.6 from open AI is on the par, if not more powerful than mythos. So is it they're gonna get sort of tied up in legislation and with 5.5 being so strong inside codex, they could just sit back and and leave it. But I think a lot of people, and certainly things I listen to and read, people start to say, Well, actually, let's look at the open weights models, and and sort of we've touched on the last couple of weeks. Should we be spinning something up ourselves? Should we be building them into our stack because we can't trust what what might happen going forward? But there is there's light maybe at the end of the tunnel, and I think Trump referred to them as I met them at the G7 and they're nice boys, or words to that effect. Is maybe there's a thawing, maybe it's just further political challenges. I think Sam Altman's a bit better politician when it comes to these things, so maybe they won't be as worried about releasing it. But it's a it's a strange place to be given what we've had for the last couple of years.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah, and maybe we have been a bit spoiled, you know, with the fact that that this has just charged ahead so so fast, and you know, the new models have bit have all been so excited and so exciting and so on. But yeah, look, it does seem to be very um very political. You know, it doesn't seem to, you know, the um Tropic were very open with the government and and let everybody play around with um Mythos, um which is the the backbone of Fable V before they launched it, including the US government. So everybody kind of had their eyeballs across it, everybody kind of knew what it was capable of. The thing that they the the the the thing that it apparently can do or can be done to it, that is the thing that that the American government claims it's worried about is jailbreaking. All right. So the ability to actually um remove the guardrails and then for you know, notionally foreign actors to use this as a kind of weapon of mass destruction or whatever. Now, there is no to this point there's been no model release that cannot be jailbroken. You know, it's it it kind of comes as part of the part of the territory. There is risk with all of this sort of stuff. Um so you know, that they've specifically targeted Anthropic. Obviously, you know, kind of calls back to when uh Pete Heggseth, the Department of War secretary uh over in the States got really annoyed with um with Anthropic for not allowing him to use Claude for autonomous killing and also to surveil the um the US citizens, allegedly. But yeah, so I I think it's it kind of speaks to personalities rather than necessarily any structural issue. If open AI was to to launch, you know, 5.6, then like you said, whether Sam Altman is a more skilled politician or whether it's just that um Trump likes open AI, likes Sam Altman more than Dario Amadei, the head of Anthropic, remains to be seen. But yes, uh the longer this goes on, the more it seems that um it's it's kind of it's got to be personal or political rather than necessarily anything kind of structural or to do with the the product itself. And you know, it's it's just holding things up. And all the time I imagine that you know Chinese are cra cracking on. I imagine that it's actually quite helpful potentially for OpenAI and for Google because if their models were not as good as Mythos, this gives them time to pretend that actually they were going to be as good as as as mythos, but we've had to hold it back and gives them some some time to catch up. And you know, in the background to all of this, there is the IPO situation. You know, so actually Anthropic was literally about to drop. Um it's IPO, and this is this has put a massive kind of hold on that. And does that give OpenAI enough time to kind of catch up and actually get their op their IPO out first? Because they haven't got any band models at this point, and they're not, you know, the the the US government is not sanctioning them at all. Whereas Anthropic is still marked up as uh uh as an enemy of the uh of the the US government. So all of this stuff just kind of feels like it's yeah, it's just a mishmash of different sort of politics and personalities and opportunism, and it just yeah, it doesn't feel like it's um it's going to be resolved necessarily without some other um with without people actually kind of getting sensible about what's important or what's important is is is using this technology for for good, basically. Um and that's um hopefully at some stage a common sense will break out, but there's no guarantee of that at all. Right. Uh next up, um uh talking about kind of the big labs and and what's happening, personalities, etc. It seems that both Meta and Google have got some big internal problems. So we don't we haven't talked about sort of Google and and Meta a lot recently. Regular listeners will remember that Meta went through a big hiring spree February time, I think, saying earlier this year, where they uh they spent billions on getting um various um superstars from the world of from everybody else into their lab so that they could then build out the most um super duper AI of them all. But now it seems that all is not well inside that particular um yeah, is it?

SPEAKER_00 17:55

No, it was already talked about, was it Noam Shazir leaving Google a couple of weeks ago that that's yeah headed off and joins uh OpenAI and they they were quite significant. Was it Noble Nobel Prizes and a sort of very well you you I can't remember, you name check the the Yeah, the attention yeah, attention is all you need um document from 2017 that basically kind of kickstarted the whole transformer, which is what the GPTs are built on, yeah. Exactly that, exactly that. And uh so but now there's even two more researchers, and um you've got Jonas Adler and Alexander Pritzel are are leaving Google this time for anthropic. So there's some serious talent speaking out of Google, and obviously they they made a I think 2025 was Google's year, basically. They made a massive comeback, didn't they? Don't call it comebacks to quote a certain hip hop star, but now they are bleeding, and the rate that things are moving, like does that set them back quite significantly? You know, there is actually stuff coming out of uh Google and some quite cool stuff even last week with computer use, but that's stuff that the other ones have had for a little while now. So is this a dangerous thing? And on the meta front, you you point out before the show that people are saying about the dismal mood and the working environment and obscenity-filled rants of the workers, like that's just a normal day in agency, isn't it? But uh Yeah, it's it's positive obscenities though, rather than negative. Uh but uh yeah, it's it doesn't sound positive for those two companies, does it?

SPEAKER_01 19:26

No, and I like you say I remember back in the last year again on the pod, I was absolutely raving about um Gemini 3.5 and just thought, right, you know, basically this they've they've they've had their comeback and they're just gonna keep on keeping on, right? They're gonna stay ahead. They're they're so you know, they've got such vast um resources to use, you know, they were a massively profitable um ad business that they can just use to keep feeding, you know, the the model. And I thought, you know, it's pretty much not quite game over. Certainly, you know, Google would be leaving the charge for throughout this year and beyond. But yeah, no, this year has very much been the year of kind of anthropic and claude. Um, you know, back ends uh of last year, early this year was when um Claude Ropus really started to kick on. And yeah, since then Google has just sort of dropped away, like you say. And it's it's it's very strange. But yeah, but internally now that DeepMind is starting to lose. So Google owns DeepMind is starting to lose its its talent. When uh the likes of Andre Capathy had a choice of anywhere he wanted to go, he's gone to to anthropic, he hasn't chosen yeah, exactly, he hasn't gone to to any of the other labs. So, you know, it's just kind of um indicative that that's where the action is, so that's where people see you know the the fun happening. That if you are going to if if your if your purpose in the world is to to advance AI and to kind of make it you know good and all that sort of thing, then then they're going to to to Anthropic and they're potentially going to open AI and they're not doing Google or Meta or or any of the others or Grok, which is also X AI, SpaceX has also been losing people handover fits. So yeah, um it's it's the the there is a bit of musical chairs in it. There's a bit of kind of you know um uh outside uh Silicon Valley kind of gossip. But but I think it is important to note because if you are losing that kind of talent, then it is that much more difficult to kind of keep pace. So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how um how they respond, what you know, Gemini 4 is going to look like, um, and uh yeah, when it's ever gonna see the light of day, if it's if it's ready at all, basically. Um right, we are gonna move on to um a little bit more about open AI. Um, and this is more about its codex. The codex has really become a bit of a success story for OpenAI, hasn't it? Um it was something that everybody thought Claude Code was gonna kind of take over the world, but actually quite impressively, OpenAI has has come back strongly with Codex, and and and you're a big fan of that, right? This is a particular uh element that they've released this week that looks really quite impressive.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

So Codex has been uh obviously around for a little while now, and they are what what we started referring to as harnesses. So you've got the sort of foundational model, be it Claude or or ChatGPT, in in the background, but then you've got the harness, which is the application that you're working. with and actually some of the leaps we're seeing are as much in the the harness evolution so clawed code claude cowork or or codex as they are actually in the in the point releases we're getting for the models and codex has actually got a new release every Thursday and it's happening despite you know the challenge we talked about around five and five uh fable five sorry and that side of things and actually every Thursday something great is coming out of Codex so what what happened if you think about it with Claude co code is everyone sort of thought Claude code it's inaccessible it's for coders and and and at the start it was because you had to use inside the terminal and then as a graphical user interface came in and then it moved to cowork was much more focused on the sort of knowledge work term you know projects and slides and presentations and research and image generation and all the things you or I do. And codecs again you could look at and say well that's just purely for developers but actually yes it's brilliant on development but you can use it for all the things you use for cowork. And this feature that's been released this week is record and replay. So if we think about skills which all these harnesses use and and to sort of pair it back a skill is basically a file that contains quite a long prompt that you can then get the harness to pull into action at any time and I know it's a an example I've used before but it's like in in the Matrix when they plug cartridges in the back of Neo's head and somebody wakes up and knows Kung Fu and it's like that's basically what a skill is it in that instance you give it all the context it needs to go off and do something. But they can take a little while to build and prompt and and sort of refine. Whereas this from Codex now the record on the plays you can literally start it running go off and do the task that you're asking it to to sort of build a skill around and it'll actually watch you. So you could probably you know let's take our our podcast you can say you might log into the the mail shop that you've spent on out look at the subscriptions gather the data go into Spotify go into Apple Podcasts generate the the data points bring them all together and then produce some interesting analytics and going through those steps that we manually do so record and replay will then build out the prompt that can then be reused from that point on. So it's literally watching what you do and then learning from that rather than you having to try prompt it into action. So it's really powerful and and as you always uh sort of make the point you're on a Mac I'm on a PC it's not available but for me but you can install Codex and get cracking with it today.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Yeah even though I don't normally use I don't use normally use codex I might just you know send you a video of me using it. Exactly just for you jealous basically it sounds it sounds really amazing and and I think that these are the kind of supercharged ways that that AI is going to kind of just just start to change how we do things because if it can let's say you are going in uh trying to get a report out of um I don't know Repit or out of street or something like that and basically it's quite a um quite a complicated one it's one that you want regularly though uh setting this up to watch you and then it will go and do this for you you know that's the kind of stuff that that is game changing. Suddenly you you are freed up this report is land so you don't have to ask anybody for it. So those are the kinds of things that that I think you know as as we get deeper into AI and as agents get much more comfortable with what AI can do, particularly I think around the security side of things as well. You know again talking to agents as I as I've been travelling around as I've been to Scotland yes the last couple of days the security angle is is really the the thing that I think worries most businesses out there, not necessarily just a state agency. So you know again we've we've we've got some some really interesting bits and pieces around the security side of things and and how to how to get comfortable with that. But yes once you are then yeah that what what this stuff can do already and if we haven't said it before this is as bad as it's ever going to be it's only going to get better from here. Presuming obviously assuming that the Trump administration lets it out. Sorry Matt go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

No I was gonna say that's a brilliant use case and example there right because it's it it can feel inaccessible at times like a skill and understanding what it is and then trying to write it and then and then think about how to get these harnesses to run them. I think that the harnesses are basically becoming super apps and they're going to evolve into basically operating systems that everything lives inside because they they have browsers but if you pair it back just that example you gave there codex and and Claude Code's got as well but Codex is an application it it looks a lot like chat GPT but the the three things you talked about there you could use record and replay so you show it once how to run on your computer the report and reap it generate it download it do what you need to do with it then goes off and builds everything it needs. You then have a scheduled task so that every day at 7am it goes off and uses thirdly codecs computer use to do that on your machine while you're making your coffee brushing your teeth reading the morning papers whatever it might be. So when you do sit down everything's been done for you and it's off those three pieces of codecs you're not having to write a code or a prompt or a skill or anything else. You've set that up and then every morning at 7 or however you set that schedule task it'll just be there ready so you start and basically consume.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah 100% yeah and and a lot a lot of these and without kind of overplaying it as as I've gone around the country what we're doing is little workshops on this sort of stuff. So do you know come along go find uh where we're at but yes this is the kind of stuff that I think is it's the practical stuff right you know it's just not this AI because AI is like huge and scary and you know is it going to come and get us all or take my jobs or whatever. But actually in your office right now there are things that you are doing that you don't have to do. And it's like it is so freeing. So yeah listen I mean it's so as we always say go play try it out that the only way that you're gonna understand this stuff is by by doing it. So uh so yeah it's um it's it's this is another example and a really good one and uh the of of of how yes this is gonna this can really really help you in your business out there. All right um that is all we've got time for in our AI and tech news um let's dive into um our tool of the week um all right this is so good it's um byte dance so tick tock's pairing company byte dance has c dance so S E Dance uh 2.5 so 2.5 is out again radio listeners viewers will remember um when I was doing the videos for the tour the one where I'm kind of barreling down various streets um which is all AI um for 40 different locations and that was C Dance 2.0 um and that that had 15 second you know videos that are amazing um you know the the first time genuinely when I've looked at it and gone that that really just looks like me kind of walking down Edinburgh Street and this is 2.5 so it's it's another step change and a couple of big things in it is um it does instead of C dance 2.0 does 15 seconds which again was was longer than pretty much anybody else uh Google Vio did 12 so C Dance 2.0 did 15 seconds C dance 2.5 does 30 seconds all right uh it also allows you to put in 550 references so actually you know in terms of being able to keep control of the setting the characters you know the tools that they're using and all that sort of stuff it's it's just insane. Um Matt, are you excited as excited as I am about this?

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yes mainly to see what you create on this oh exactly is it gonna be a is it in another sunny weekend where you can lock yourself in a dark room and and play with it stay up in Newcastle where there's thunder and lightning but you know when when you created the uh the Bittersweet symphony style video that video I'm reliably told is four minutes and thirty eight seconds long so in that you know number of prompts you can quickly stitch together almost a whole film like you said before and uh just the quality is insane and I think that that point you made there about the reference like the fact you can upload five zero reference files when the previous number just barely been into double digits really does allow you to to create some quite memorable stuff. And I I was listening to something where just the volume of actual TV companies who are now using AI and albeit American models to generate video that they're not even acknowledging is is interesting. And when are they going to actually just start testing up that these Chinese models are even better because bite dance is learning off TikTok right and then that's the the incredible volume of content that they've got from that point of view.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Yeah and and variety yes I know you can go to YouTube and you that yeah there's a lot of historical stuff and blah blah blah. But um but yeah there is so much different variety of different people different things that they're doing you know there was the old TikTok dances but now you know there's a lot of kind of um other stuff going on. So yeah I think it's um yeah it's it's it's phenomenal. And yeah as you say now that I think this weekend is going to bin down with rain. It's certainly binned down with rain right now here. So yes just like last weekend I ignored the sunshine I can ignore the rain and mess about with even more exciting video stuff as we go through the uh the weekend I may occasionally yeah having not seen the kids for a bit I might say hello to them as well I suppose. Right that is it for our um property and AI report this week. Thank you very much indeed for listening in and I hope that you've got some useful stuff from it again. Now um we will be back again in seven days time to uh talk even more about um the property and AI news uh of the week hopefully also Fable 5 might be out but we've said that for the last two weeks. Matt, what are you up to this weekend?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Probably avoiding public transport because that's been interesting this week.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

How about yourself apart from the sitting in a dark room with the the video models yeah I haven't really got much beyond that actually sitting still is going to be good having driven all the way Bradford Lancaster Glasgow Edinburgh Aberdeen Dundee Newcastle York this week so uh so yes looking forward to um sitting still rocking gently backwards and forwards for a little while and but uh but yes um looking forward to catching up with everybody again next week um and we will see you all in seven days' time thanks very much