Property AI Report 093 - £40m Reapit AI Bet, ChatGPT-6 Astra & Zoopla Profits

Property AI Report

This weekly roundup covers the biggest moves in property and AI, with a strong focus on portal competition, CRM investment, and the latest model releases. Mal and Matt break down what the changes mean for agents, vendors, and the future of property tech. It is a fast-moving update for anyone tracking where leads, data, and automation are heading next.

Key topics

• In this episode, Mal and Matt open with Zoopla’s return to profit, despite lower revenue than last year, and discuss whether that signals a stronger position in the portal market.
• They compare Zoopla and On The Market, with Mal noting that Zoopla’s lead quality seems to be shifting toward vendor leads and homeowners considering a move.
• The conversation turns to Houseful, the parent company above Zoopla, Uswitch, and Alto, and the broader struggle among portals to prove value to agents.
• In property tech, Reapit’s plan to spend £40 million over the next year on becoming an AI dominant CRM is a major theme.
• Matt frames that investment as part of a wider land grab, where CRM providers are trying to lock in large agencies before they switch to AI first alternatives.
• They stress the importance of keeping and integrating client data when moving CRMs, warning that leaving data behind creates long term pain.
• A political property story follows, centred on an Iranian businessman selling high value London properties while allegedly linked to the Supreme Leader of Iran, raising sanctions and compliance questions.
• The AI section starts with ChatGPT 6 Astra, which Mal describes as unusually strong at computer use, with the model actively taking control of his screen during the recording.
• They then cover Claude 5.1, comparing it with Astra and noting that both represent a real step change rather than a minor iteration.
• OpenClaw 2.0 is discussed for its new multiplayer setup, allowing multiple users and teams to work in a shared AI environment.
• World Labs Atlas stands out as the most visually ambitious release, generating and simulating 3D worlds from a few photos, with obvious implications for property walkthroughs and future robotics.
• The week ends with Obliteration.ai, a stripped down model with guardrails removed, which they describe as a terrifying crime large language model.

Timestamps

00:00 - Weekly property and AI news roundup begins
 00:24 - Zoopla returns to profit and pressures portal rivals
 04:37 - Reapit’s £40 million AI push and CRM land grab
 10:22 - Iranian property sale raises sanctions and compliance issues
 12:30 - ChatGPT 6 Astra arrives with powerful computer use
 17:25 - Claude 5.1 and the rise of step change model releases
 19:05 - OpenClaw 2.0 introduces multiplayer AI workflows
 21:08 - World Labs Atlas and the future of 3D property worlds
 25:51 - Obliteration.ai and the dangers of removed guardrails
 27:41 - Tool of the week and why this release cycle matters
 28:32 - What Mal and Matt are planning next week

Notable quotes

• “If anybody's joining another CRM system and getting rid of their data, don't. It's stupid.”
• “It is insane.”
• “People out there, go play, it's great, great fun.”

Transcript

Copy Transcript Copied

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi everybody and welcome to the Property AI Report. This is your weekly digest of all things property and AI, brought to you by me, Mal McCann, and my good friend and co-host, Matt Goddard. Matt, how are you today? Excellent, Mal. How are you? I'm really, really good, thanks. Very good indeed. It has been quite the week for loads of stuff, both in property and uh AI. So uh without further ado, I guess we should probably start yapping about it, right? Here comes our property news. Absolutely. All right, we're gonna start off with Zupla. So Zupla has been um in the news this week talking about its lovely profits that it has um returned to after a little uh bit outside of it. It's got less um revenue than it had last year, but uh but higher uh profits or indeed profits. Um so again, it's interesting in the context of you know the recent set of home track and you know, is this kind of Zupla showing a bit of leg basically and kind of um you know hoping that that it might actually increase the price and get it sold more quickly, or is it gonna stay as a separate entity and that they're just they're just gonna try and drive the price up higher? Um Matt, what do you think about this one?

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Well, it's it's an interesting one, like say take a step back or just almost recapping for myself as much as anything. Houseful is now the parent company, right? And then we've got Zupla, Switch, and Alto as ZPG. So Houseful is the XZPG, and then we've got the separate entities below it. So this is purely about the portal side of it um and the business, and that they're um they're profitable and they've tied up a bit to do with AI in there because why wouldn't you mention AI at this time? So um they've been facetious to one side. I I have heard more and more agents talking about how they they they're sort of moving from on the market towards Zupla um and more that um like the Zupla seems to be the place that leads coming from when they're taking on the right move and uh they're not actually seeing value so much in on the market. And I know you're regularly out on the road. Um, do you think Zupla's like being more successful because on the market's fading? And if so, is on the market fading because CoStar have decided not to double down on it?

SPEAKER_00 2:08

It's it's so interesting, isn't it? And I could talk up to this all day long, but I'm gonna try and keep it as as sure as possible. So, yeah, I from from what I can make out, what I've um here out there, um Zupla's the quality of Zupla's leads is good. Um, it does seem to have flipped very much more towards the vendor side, uh, which is interesting because way back in the day that was that was what we started out with was the vendor leads via the AVMs. So that that they've got a specific product that's targeted at homeowners and they are trying to kind of get people just at the moment that they're thinking about moving. So I think from that perspective, whilst there are not the volume there, that actually the quality is is decent. And I think that the on the market just seems to have drifted so badly, really, over the last sort of year or so. You know, CoStar came in with a big fan fare um about two and a half years ago now, something like that. But in the meantime, last year, they then of course so they bought um on the market for 97 million pounds, they bought then domain over in Australia for 1.6 billion, possibly dollars, Australian dollars. Anyway, lun loads more. And they seem to be so so they've got they've got um homes.com over in the States, they've got Domain in Australia, and then it does feel like on the market's kind of like the you know, the forgotten child, and it doesn't seem to be getting the the investment or the attention or anything like that right now. Now, it may be that that all changes in in 2027 and maybe they come back with a bang, but for now, I I hear they are you know absolutely losing um losing agents, sort of hand over fist. They are, you know, people aren't staying on there, and you know, they're that essentially if if they do kind of threaten to come off, then sometimes they're they're just staying on. So um so yeah, I think it is difficult for them out there. The kind of seesaw between on the market and Zupla, you know, is is a well-played one over the years. Um so it'll be interesting to see if that kind of flips back. But yeah, no, it's it's it's a good story for for Zupla right now. Um they do seem to be um uh well, they are obviously solvent and uh they are they are profitable. As with all these things, core saw of income is is always agents. So if they're that profitable, then there's only one one kind of cohort paying for it, generally speaking. But it would be interesting to know that there was a lot of questions that were asked by journalists of Zupla um around how many agents they had, uh, and they wouldn't tell them. So I think that's again just a kind of interesting you know stat to leave out because then you can't work out kind of cost per agent and things like that. So yeah, look, it's it's a it's the landscape that needs changing, I think, because it just kind of feels like it's just slides a little bit this way, a little bit that way. Um but yes, um, I think it's um it's right for something new and exciting to come in, is what I can say. Anyway, so uh that's about the portals for now. Next up on our um property news is Repit. So big, big, big numbers here, um, all about AI. So um they have um said that they're gonna spend 40 million pounds in the next year on basically brushing uh sorry, Repit up to be an AI dominant player, AI dominant CRM system. Now, this again is something that's been hotting up really, really, really strongly over the last um sort of six months or so. We've had Street, you know, talking about getting investment, valuing their business at 200 million, and we've had Rex, you've had all the guys basically kind of coming out with their AI products and services. So for Reaper to go this large feels quite the moment. What about you, Matt? You've um you've obviously been there and this is uh your old stomping ground. If somebody handed you 40 million quid back in the day, would that be all right? I think I'd take it, Mal.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Get a couple of your orange t-shirts. But it's uh it's interesting how we go from your your old stomping ground to my old stomping ground in the in the nature of the stories, isn't it? But um I I did GCSEs, you did GCSEs. Um but I I think the part for me is obviously it is a heck of a lot of investment. Like we were talking about last week that Salesforce have returned to the same share price they were before the whole SaaS pocalypse. And I think when we come onto the tech side of things with things like Astra and Fable 5.1 coming along and these these harnesses, these new operating systems are working a lot on. A lot of people are now realising that software still has a part to play. You know, your Astra is currently trying to wrestle the cursor off you, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 6:02

To use your machine to do stuff and just done it again, it just it just clicked onto one of our screens.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

We'll come back to why it's wrestling your computer off you and what Astra is in the second part of the show. But the confidence in in software has, especially from these private equity firms and the sort of share prices of Salesforce being a leading indicator, that that investment you could for those people throwing rocks, could be saying, Well, is that a little too late? You know, Repit, there's rumblings of certain companies leaving. There's even by the opposite side where big companies are are staying on. But actually, we've maybe not talked about it as often as we we would do it historically. But over the last six months of Laudens for Repit Home, which is like the digital hub for landlords, tenanters to sign up to. And I've always been obviously on my soapbox about how we launched my FOPSons in 2009, and no one really has ever created something similar. And to sort of see that coming along aside just CRM and in a stage where with AI, I think we're moving to that point where the agents are going to hold that relationship far longer than just the transaction, and people are starting to realise that now. Though today I've been in a room with agents who are migrating from one CRM to the other and they're leaving all of their data behind and just taking their correct estimates over, which exactly is it's it's going back to that classic thing of the lifetime value of your clients, right? And I know that sounds much gimmicky and marketing and all those other buzz frames, but the this idea that you you engage with your agent and AI will bring you to your agent rather than to the portals. Now is the time to be having that uh interaction, having that digital online presence. Um and and Rebit sort of built that into their offering over the last six months. So seeing them now really doubling down and AKKR coming in with this additional 20 million investment shows that they're they're not trying to offload it. And there's a I'm sure there's a a really succinct AI strategy that Matt McGowan um has has spoken about. He's their global chief property. And with was it Ray, their their AI that's coming along and people who are are using that, um, I think we'll start to see these things come along and and to actually come into the real world. And I guess similar to what Streetwood did announce with Cortex a few months ago, but I think these will be things that people start using really quickly as opposed to sort of talk about what might be coming in the future.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yeah, I I I think it's really, really, really strong statement of intent. Just to circle back on something you just said, if anybody's joining another CRM system and getting rid of their data, don't. It's stupid. And it's gonna basically leave you far, far behind where you need to be. So make sure you get your data and make sure it's plugged in. Yeah, so so this this 40 million um is is significant. I think it's it's it's you know it's gonna be good news for those that are using Repits. I think it's you know, as with all these things, and I always do think, yeah, why they the what's their intended return on this, right? They're they're not just doing this for fun. We absolutely 100% intend that this is going to be a multiple further further down the street, uh, further down the line. And it does feel like it's a bit of a land grab, right? It's basically like you know, turf wars making sure that they're locking in the big ones, as you said, as of night Franks, the Savile, you know, some of the the Connells brands, etc., who are all kind of on there. And what they want to do is make sure that they don't start leaching out to to other kind of CRM providers or just you know, AI first providers or whatever. So the prize is big, you know. Reaper is a huge, huge, huge organization with a lot of um a lot of money sloshing through. So um, yeah, this feels um slightly uh I think it is defensive. I think it's um I think it's I think it's necessary, but perhaps not to this scale. I think you know that that they have that there's the defense, and then there is also right, okay. Actually, we've got to go on the offense as well. Um and it's gonna be fascinating to see what they build. I you again may know this better than me. I I often see that the bigger the check, the more waste there is. Do you know what I mean? The more they just kind of like go, let's do loads of things and actually not necessarily get any further forward. Um but as you say, I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Is that like people who install slides in their offices and loads of um loads of cushions? I'm thinking rack space, not other CRMs, like all those fancy cultural things that people then go spend that money on when they get a big raise. Um like a model prop and my porter, that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

The amount of orange t-shirts we've invested in, you would not believe. But yes, it's um it is that there is, I think what's gonna come out of this is there's gonna be a response from the others um as well. You know, as you say, Cortex is already kind of out there, but um, how big can the others spend if if we pick and do this? So, yeah, no, I think it's it's gonna be fascinating. Yes, the one thing for everybody out there, keep hold of your data, or is you'll regret it at at leisure in about a year and a half's time when actually everything you just keep going, damn, if only I had my data from you know, before. So, yes, uh gonna be very exciting to see how this plays out as well alongside the portal stuff. Yeah, gonna be popcorn everywhere because this is gonna be a fun fight, I think. Right. Um, a last story in our property news this week. Uh are we getting a little bit political here? Uh it's certainly it's it's an Iranian exactly, it's an Iranian um Iranian businessman is selling a couple of properties. Now, it's basically because he defaults defaulted on his um mortgage, um, it looks like. And then these these are big properties, like you know, near Prince and Princess of Wales uh in London Kensington Garden. Um, but he is alleged, d allegedly, allegedly, to be um an operative uh working on behalf of the supreme leader of Iran. So I I kind of was trying to get my head round this in terms of what it means. Is it that the proceeds are gonna be kept under sanctions, or or is this actually they're just gonna try to get the money out of uh out of the country?

SPEAKER_01 11:21

I don't know quite where this story blew up from. Well, as as as any estate agent knows, Malcolm, and hopefully you you you you're aware of this as well, you need to do your politically exposed person check as well as part of taking on the property listing, don't you? So given the sanctions, um, which means that their their assets should be frozen anyway. Um but proceeds from the sale will absolutely be frozen. So in the same way that um who's your man who sold Chelsea? Abramovich. Abramovich. Be interest to see if if that works through, but as you say, is is the challenge here. I was only talking to someone yesterday. Do you remember the documentary a few years back, which was from Russia with Love, where um certain high profile London agents appeared on it telling Russian um I think it was Russian applicants that they had no problem being able to get Russian money into the market and help them buy properties. It was all on a documentary, so they covered the alleged lease and all that sort of thing. Good. But yes, I think the reason this one blew up is it's um questionable whether they uh should it be getting sold at this stage rather than um getting the the uh proceeds then held. But the most important thing obviously is Ard Knight Frank and tell them he's gonna get their uh get their commissions.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

And how much is it gonna be? I was more interested if they were listing them on my porter. Absolutely. Every property is there, as you know. So um that is um the end of our property news um for this week. Let us get straight into our AI and tech news. All right, so having been just distracted again or interrupted again by ChatGPT 6 is here. Okay, Thursday night, it landed, and it is ChatGPT 6 Astra. So this is the level above Sol and Terra and Luna, which is the three um other ChatGPT models, which are stranded at the moment on 5.6. Um, ChatGPT 6 Astra is the big Fable 5 equivalent or Fable equivalent, and um it is really, really good. So I've been playing around with it quite a lot. And as Matt um said, um it is I've got something running right now, but I don't really want to stop and because I've been doing it for hours and is really, really good. So yeah, it just keeps um interrupting me and taking control of my screen and moving different moving different um apps around and all that sort of stuff and then telling me off for cutting it off. So yeah, Matt, have you had a little play around with um Chat GPT 6 Astra? Anything?

SPEAKER_01 13:35

I've I've actually I have, and and one of the interesting parts I think for me, more than anything, it's meant to be Labor Day weekend in America, so you'd think we'd go quiet for a bank holiday weekend, but we had quite a lot of new releases, didn't we? Because we'll come on to Thompson Fable 5.1 separately. But um, I think Astra coming out, so it comes with a naming convention, doesn't it? So we got Luna, Terra, and Sol. So Earth, yes, uh Earth, Moon, and Sun. Moon, sorry, Moon, Earth, Sun, and this is now stars. Yeah. So so really, really kicking on with the stars. It's the funnily enough, the the biggest bit of feedback that uh a lot of people are giving is how great it is at computer use, um, which you're uh you know reflecting on as we speak, literally. Right now, yeah, which also kicks on from what we talked about earlier with the sort of SAS pocalypse and the like the talking that is more and more you start to use machines. You might have APIs, you might have MCPs, but actually there's fiddly things you want to do in terms of like your CRM like HubSpot, let's say, where you want to set up a new workflow or you're setting up a new sales pipeline, or you want to do something similar to that, which you can't necessarily do via the APIs and MCPs at this point in time, then that's where computer use can really come in. Um working between different applications, moving information around, that being able to say, look, just take over and do what you need to do, um and and how quick and refined it is and and like how efficient it is on tokens, being able to move through that, but also the level of reasoning, which is a term we haven't used for quite a while, but obviously all of this is underpinned by reasoning which only came in what start uh start 2025 with deep sea. Yeah, crazy. And and things are just ratcheting. And I think this is the first one that general people are generally saying, look, has AGI, has artificial general intelligence arrived? Is this like the the breakthrough point? Because we are now seeing Astro, you could leave your laptop and give it a task and just leave it like you would do a a new employee in your team and and let it go from your emails to your calendar to your CRM to your social media, and you would come back and it it might raise its hands and say, Look, I don't know where to go next, but that's just the way that an employee would, and and it's at that sort of level now. And I think a lot of time when we say each week, oh, there's a new model out, it's like great, what what what's the difference? But with Astro and with 5.1 to a lesser extent, because it doesn't have that computer use quite as as well. We are seeing actually step change, whereas in the past it's like okay, you might notice in some of the words, or for suddenly M-dashes are back, or in the language it uses. I think this really is, and and I used it inside Codex, which is the OpenAI harness earlier. And the beauty of the harness is you get all the connectors playing, and obviously, as you saw, I'd connected Higgsfield, which is a a video video tool, just gave it thank you. But there's the ability just to uh for everyone listening. I basically took five photos that happened to be in my pictures folder, together with the connector for Higgsfield, which is a uh sort of a an open router for video, so it chooses the best video model based on what you said. And I said, Look, take these five pictures and create a video for me, leaving the first and joining the last. And I think one of them was me and Mabel, my dog, in it. So I said, and greeting Mabel at the end, and it got like a 15-minute video, which I sent to my mate who was a producer of um telly basically, and he was like, that's awesome. And don't think he was doing it just to blow smoke because he generally would tell me it was it was crap. Um and that's where we're at, man. You can just literally hand off these tasks that you would normally give to a manager or a senior manager and just leave them to it. Um so coming back to your question, Astra, yes, brilliant. Um, I really do think people need to be giving these things a try now, and it does make it difficult to flip between Claude and ChatGPT. And I I actually asked you, didn't I, in WhatsApp? Is like, where are you landing at the moment? And I think you you gave a quite succinct response for you, which was Claude, right? Um, and because of like the the nature of the interactions.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah, so so yeah, so to move on to the kind of second story is that uh Fable 5.1 is out. So Fable 5 was um is the the the the the big one from Claude. So it was it was almost like kind of like um yeah, standoff was like, who's gonna blink first? Who's who's gonna actually put out their the big beast of a model first? And yeah, Fable 5.1 came out and then um Astra, Chat GPT 6 uh very quickly. So Fable 5.1 is um is really good as well and you know better than Fable 5. And I find it slightly more easy to to kind of talk to and to navigate and to kind of get it to understand. Although, as we're seeing right now, I've also got Astra working on some different stuff as well. So I've got kind of two distinct projects running almost side by side, and yeah, both of the it's it's it's insane. It is so, so, so good and intelligent and able to do some really, really complicated stuff from very, you know, slim prompts. And yeah, I'm just it it's yeah, it's it's mind blowing. Anybody who has not, you know, it's almost like you've run out of big projects to do because it's just like it just goes over and does it. It's like, here we go. Oh now we'll get something else for you to do because I'm paying for this. But it is, yeah, it's it's it's absolutely um eye-opening, mind-blowing. Everybody should be playing around with these things if you are not already. Um, but uh but yes, I I I tend towards more fable five at this point, but I'm trying to make sure that the context, which is the memory for all for both of them, is is pretty similar, so that they they kind of know anything, everything anyway. And at the same time, I'm also um open claw, my rain team are still kind of pumping away because underneath the rain team, you can plug the APIs in for ChatGPT 6 and Fable 5.1. So actually, you can just so these guys are now even more intelligent than they were last week, um, which again is phenomenal up you know in terms of productivity and in terms of you know being able to use them to do more stuff. So that's all happening. And if that wasn't enough, then OpenClaw, which is what my rain team is built on, now have OpenClaw 2.0. Good segue, Mal.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Well done. Looks like seamless.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Finally, it's episode 93. We finally get in there. Openclaw 2.0 is now here, and that is um I haven't had time to redo it, to use it, basically, because I've been doing too much else. Matt, in the midst of all this sort of stuff, how are you feeling about uh yeah, about everything?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Well, it's it's uh OpenClaw is a great segue because obviously that came came along if it feels probably about a year ago, might even be nine months, and and totally changed where we're at. And OpenClaw it was the quickest bit of open source, uh quickest growing open source products since Linux, wasn't it, back in the 80s and and very heavily. It's Peter Steigenberger who who founded it was then uh acquired by OpenAI, but the OpenClaw stayed on as a bit of freemanware. And it is it's interesting OpenClaw 2.0 came out this week because I was actually listening to a number of people who ditched in OpenClaw in favour of GrocBot's, which we covered two weeks ago, and Grokbot came out of um Elon Musk's Musk's space space AI. Is that the right way for all those space? AI, yeah. So OpenClaw 2.0 predominantly is now multiplayer, and so you it's not just you and the rain team, it's the rain team and the rain team, and then the various people from within. And it's that the sort of next level that I'm hearing a number of people now talking about AI becoming multiplayer. We had Claude Tag launched in Slack a a few weeks ago, maybe even a couple of months, so that you're not just sat in your silos, and so it's it's always seeing these iterations. I think normally OpenCloud 2.0 would be a headline, but obviously you could say label 5.1 that got topped from by OpenAI Astra. So it's um it's an interesting week to to keep up with everything.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Absolutely. Like you say, but maybe they pick Labour weekend because then they could just everybody go over and just play, not talk to their families and just work. So, yeah, so that that's um just some of the the models that have been out this week. There's also World Labs. Now, almost just to say a different name from all the ones that we've been repeating so much over time. Now let's take a little look at World Labs. So World Labs is um that is is an AI um platform that actually tries to look at big kind of 3D worlds and environments rather than just you know kind of flat or text or video or images and stuff like that, and tries to imagine what's kind of round the corner and it can do some really funky stuff around um consistency. Um so looking away from stuff and then looking back, and it's still there rather than having to recreate those pixels all over again. Um and Faye Fey Faye Feilee, who is the uh the founder, legendary um engineer, bit open. Be various other places along the way and Harvard um a professor, I think, as well. So she um and her team have basically built out this uh most recent model, which is called Atlas, not to be confused with what used to be ChatGPT's browser called Atlas or the Boston Dynamics robot that was called um Astra. Yes, this is um um a lot um that is um that's still sorry, Atlas, not Astra, Astra is the GPT six flipping. World Labs Atlas is a single AI model, not a tiger atlas either, right? That's right, yes, yes, way too many. So it's a single AI model, it generates reconstructs, it simulates 3D worlds from just a few photos. Okay, so in our world, imagine if you could just put in a few photos of a property and it could simulate a 3D version of that property. It's gonna happen soon.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Matt, excited? I think there's a number of bits with this actually, Mal, which is one, as you say, in our world, take a few photos, create that. And I I think Zillow have already got something similar to this going on where that you can put photos in and create a walk through or fly-through. I know certainly listing logic from New Zealand have got something akin to this with their like you take a photo and start animating it and walking through, but this is on a much grander scale, right? And I think the bit that really excites me is you can take the model, which is basically simulating 3D scenes off those images and basically expecting AI to have that spatial intelligence. But this the the path for this isn't just a gimmick of you'd throw in a photo of where was it the week at Amsterdam Square and like you can start walking around and the AI simulating that that virtual world, but actually, this is what the robots are going to start using as well, right? So it's all building towards a use, and um, I know that we've got it in our tool of the week as well, because it's well worth having a look at this and putting some photos in and seeing what you can create and to create those walkthroughs and such like.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Yeah, absolutely right. Damn, it's it's insane. Yes, this is find myself saying it again, this is as bad as it's ever gonna be. So even if we stopped right now, there's so much that is out there that is available. If we built on it, um, then we would be able to do amazing things. We are gonna be able to do amazing things. And it's almost like we just keep tripping over the next model and going, oh my god, there's something even better, and then going and playing around with that. Where probably, I don't know, ChatGPT 4.0 was probably the big one that if we went back to that and went, yeah, let's just make stuff with that, then that would be amazing as well. Anyway, people out there, go play. It's great, great fun. Um, and there is lots and lots and lots to see. Um, all right, that is our AI and tech news for this week. Let us move on to our weird AI of the week. Matt, not so much weird AI of the week this week, is it as terrifying AI of the week? Um, what have we got here with obliteration?

SPEAKER_01 24:38

So this could also be rebranded crime large language model. Because it's basically someone's taken one of the freemium uh free weights models, GLM 3.2, was it? Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

5.3 got the number the wrong way around and removed all the guardrails. And basically, we're normally 5.3 would have said, nope, you can't do that. There's guardrails up against that, you can't do cyber security, cyber hacking, you can't red team something, you can't get offensive, you can't learn how to make Molotov cocktails, whatever it is you're asking and getting a note for. They've removed all those guardrails and just gone, fill your boots. And so uh crime large language model, as you say, terrifying. And that just but I think you said it a long time ago, that often with these things, something gets launched, you play with it, have a bit of fun, then you get serious, and then you go through serious, and you come out the other side just being a wrong and maybe you said about yourself. I don't know. But uh, we're at that with the large language models now, and um obliteration dots dies as it's launched itself.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah, it it it was always gonna come to this, right? Essentially, that that there's a super powerful model that now anybody can go out and use for anything they really, really like. And yeah, you know, and this is gonna be interesting because the next thing it's gonna do is right now we've got to deal with it. People will now find ways to try and um mitigate those risks, which is kind of how human humanity has got through to this point, right? You know, fire set fire to loads of people, then they worked out how to stop setting themselves on fire. Electricity electrocuted loads of people, they worked out how to stop that happening, and so on. Um planes falling out of the air, etc. So, yeah, we're now at the phase of, yeah, okay, so now some bad things are probably gonna happen and we're gonna have to try and um mitigate it. Yes, that will be um that will be okay in the end, but we're probably in for a little bit of a bumpy ride whilst um yes, certain bad actors um uh decide to to utilize this thing that is now freely available on X, if anybody out there would like to go and play around with it. Um all right, that is our weird slash terrifying AI of the week. Um, tool of the week this week is essentially any of the above, even obliteration if you're that way, um bad-minded. Um, because yeah, this has been a week of phenomenal progress, I would say. Yeah, I mean it goes back, yeah. You kind of think of these big kind of moments like, you know, November 2022 when ChatGBT 3.5 dropped, when everyone went, oh my god. That was the kind of start of it. And then there was, you know, um the the the um Google coming back into things amazing. Then Claude 4.8 was just like, oh my god, and now yeah, we're in another, a whole nother world. So yes, people out there, go play. It's amazing. Um, build things, um, work out the most painful process you go through every single day, could be emails, could be anything, and get one of these AIs to just solve it because it can. And uh yeah, we will be back again next week, tired because of lack of sleep and much playing. But yes, um, perhaps with even more exciting models and stuff out there. Matt, what have you got planned for this week?

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Tired. Yeah. I was in Amsterdam at the weekend, so I'm just trying to catch up from that. Is that why you're tired? Yeah, I don't think it is actually, no. Sayed on a houseboat, it was very relaxing. Um, no, I'm I'm in back in London tomorrow, in Leeds on Friday, catching up some good friends along the way.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Nice one. Well, you enjoy that out there. And everybody else, have yourselves great weeks, too. We shall be back in seven days with plenty more property and AI news. So we will see you then.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Take care, everyone.